Just to review, my brother and SIL are PG and due 5 weeks before us. They waited a week after hearing our news to share theirs- I found this out 3 days ago. Yesterday I got this astounding email from my brother.
EXHIBIT A (my brother's email)
I don't get it. It shouldn't have been hell for you. All that loving and practicing should have been fun ;) Oh well. Guess I don't need to understand. Seems to me that you and Jake consciously made a decision to go through the process so I guess the needling this summer is a consequence of the decision. Susan and I didn't consider anything medically at all. For one, we didn't think the expense was worth it for a second child and for two, all the stories I've heard seem to point towards less stress and an easier going nature about it can be very effective. I can't tell you all the stories of people that I know that were just about ready to adopt and/or had adopted, when the 'ol baby making equipment started working. I was amazed as I started talking with more people about it. Having difficulty conceiving was a whole lot more common than I ever thought.
You shouldn't get worked up about mom telling us. We are all family. It's just the way it is and she was excited for you and wanted to tell us. Also, and I remember this distinctly, when she told us, she said that you asked her not to tell a whole lot of people so she thought it was ok if we knew. She was only doing what you had asked her to do. It's not fair for her if you change your story to make her feel bad. Imagine the position she's in and empathize a little. I think it'll go a long way.
I don't think I agree with you about the stakes being huge. Sounds to me like you're putting way to much pressure on yourself. Perception through email can be deceiving though. I can only imagine how Jake must feel. I'd be worried that he starts feeling like he can't do anything right. If there's anything that I know based on our experiences and all the others that I've talked with, you never know what the future might hold. If you want my advice, ease up and relax. Try to make it fun. Otherwise you'll risk ending up like Dad or grandma Dorothy:)
Good luck! We'll be thinking and hoping for both of you. Just remember, life goes on regardless of what happens so make the best of it.
I know you will be as incensed about that ignorant and hurtful email as I was. And now my reply email.
EXHIBIT B (my email reply)
I am almost speechless. I misunderstood your email thinking that if it took you a while you might understand a little bit. It stopped being between the two of us after a year and became between us and the doctors. 0% morphology means that NO SPERM CAN PENETRATE THE EGG. No amount of any "relaxing" or "loving" can change a medical diagnosis. There is no treatment for that- no "fixing it." Try telling a cancer patient that all they need to to is relax and not pursue treatment- and then the cancer will go away b/c "the good ol' equipment" will start working to cure you. Now, as far as making a decision to go through the process, I know that you are not a woman so you cannot understand the deep desire to mother a child, but imagine your life without Zach. Can you really tell me it would be a decision not to be a father to him? To me it is the same thing. Having difficulty trying to conceive is a lot more common than most people think. However, the percent of people that have no other child bearing option but to do IVF with ICSI (because of a medical diagnosis) is very, very small.
Oh, and many of the needles are to sustain the high risk pregnancy now. I need to continue this every day until 12 weeks. You try sticking a two inch needle in Susan's ass every night making her cry and unable to sleep because it hurts that bad and then see if you dismiss the needles as a "consequence." That's like saying if your child has a birth defect, it will be a "consequence" of the decision to be pregnant at 37. I would never, ever say that or think that because that is ridiculous and hurtful.
As far as mom- I told her in these exact words- "don't tell anybody." She then asked if she could tell Dad and I said yes. I don't understand how that is changing the story??? Your name and Susan's name were NEVER MENTIONED. I think I have a damn good memory and I doubt I am miss-remembering something that is this important to me. Mom has always had a way of altering information so I am not surprised that she told you otherwise. So she was NOT doing what I had asked her to do. I had trusted her not to tell anybody. She did not do that. She is the mother here and I am the daughter going through the most difficult time of my life and undergoing a very expensive, invasive medical procedure. I think she should be doing the empathizing- not to mention supporting.
Seriously the stakes not being huge? We have a 35% chance of miscarriage right now- and unlike you and most of the rest of the world's population, do not have the option to "try again." If this ends on Friday or any other day with a miscarriage, the three embryos (living babies) I carried died and I will not be able to have a child with the man I love. The stakes are huge and Jake feels exactly, 100% the same way. I know that you have not walked in my shoes so you cannot possibly comprehend this. I am just trying to help you "empathize" with us. I also do not have a job working for 3M- and I don't know your financial status, but teachers and writers make very little. We refinanced our house to pay for this. That much money will never be available again to do this very expensive, not covered by insurance, invasive, medical procedure.
And I promise you, that if you ever get a bring-you-to-your knees medical diagnosis (or someone in your family does) that changes everything you think your life would be I will never tell you to "ease up and relax. Try to make it fun." Your email was very hurtful to me. I hope my email helped you become less ignorant about infertility and our situation.
And I also sent him the link to Resolve's page that is just for family and friends.
42 comments:
Katie...wow. Just wow. I literally can't believe your brother's email. That is a classic example of someone who does not understand infertility at all. He acts as though you and Jake tried for 3 months instead of 3 years, stressed out about not getting pregnant, and went straight to IVF. I hope he is just incredibly ignorant about the situation and didn't realize how hurtful he was being. I am so, so sorry you don't have a more supportive family. Please don't let them stress you out too much though- you need to stay as calm as possible for those little babies (yes, I still think more than one). I have to say, though, I'd be pretty fired up over that email too. Hang in there.
WHAT IN THE WORLD?????!!!!!!! People just don't cease to amaze me with their ignorance.
Your e-mail was perfect...hopefully his eyes will be opened and he will realize just what exactly he is saying. I've had to tell people several times...I have endometriosis...its not that I'm stressed...I have a medical condition. They just stare back at me...its ridiculous.
Praying for you and the miracle(s) you carry!!!
Wow...that's all I can say. I thought I was the only one who had and insensitive, not even willing to understand family member. Although in my case, luckily it's not blood but my MIL. I also got a nasty email (actually my dh did and I happened upon it) during my first ectopic. We didn't want to see anyone or have her tell anyone. She did and I was hurt. We lived like shut-ins for a few weeks to grieve for the loss of our baby (this was our second loss) and she emailed saying that she couldn't understand why we couldn't come to Sunday dinner. And then, I am not making this up, she said, "It's not like she's dying of some horrible disease. Ugh! Really, your son just lost a baby too you insensitive...Anyway, I understand your pain. Some people will just never understand or truly try to understand what we go through and why we chose to do it. Their loss! I hope things get better for you but as I've said before, try to enjoy this time with baby and hubby. Good for you in your response. I think it was respectful but firm. Go get 'em! :)
I cannot imagine how hurt you are! Great--- no awesome --- reply - it may not change his perceptions, but at least you got it out - good for you!!! You're my hero :)!
Your brother's email is beyond ignorant and shows how completely misunderstood IF is. I like your cancer analogy. Your brother makes it sound like you had a choice - conceive a baby naturally or conceive through IVF. As if any of us, with that real choice, would choose IVF. With us, there is no choice. IVF is the only path to having a baby. AHHHH!!! I think your email response was perfect. I don't know what else to say...other than I'm frustrated for you!
OMG!!! I cannot believe that email. That was so hurtful and just plain ignorant. I am so sorry. :-( Just remember that you do have an internet family that is thinking about you and praying for you all the time! I pray that Friday brings you a great sense of relief and happiness. We're all pulling for you and your little miracles!!
OMG. Your brother just told you to relax?!?!? And then to tell you about stories he has heard of people getting pregnant after starting to or actually adopting!!
Bless your heart Katie. You must be a kinder, more in control person than I am. Cause I'd kill him.
Can I just say how again how raging mad his email made me? I'm so glad you sent him a link to Resolve's page and I seriously hope he reads it. He basically needs to read the whole site. If I was going to come up with a letter that pissed every woman off that has ever gone through IF and make them feel like crap I would've written his email. Big Hugs because it can't be easy having this kind of crap coming from a family member of all people.
OMG Katie... I can't believe this! I am sorry for this situation! I had an encounter with a very close friend last night and she blew me off for sending her the same Resolve link! I almost cried, but ignored her thinking she doesn't deserve my tears! BUT, I wouldn't be able to handle my own sibling doing this to me! Please try to stay calm and take care of yourself. I know it is easier said than done, but it is not worth boiling your blood over insensetive people... specially when it comes to your precious miracle! Lots of warm HUGS your way! If you ever feel the need to talk in person (on phone)... please feel free to email me.
There's really not much more I can add, is there? I couldn't believe that email - I know he was trying to be nice and loving, but it came off in completely the wrong way.
I'm glad you've got your internet "family" to support you in the way you deserve and need. Hugs!
Wow, good for you. You need to let him know that he is being an idiot!!!
All of us infertiles are behind you!!!!
OMG. I cannot believe his insensitivity. Is he always like that? That was heartbreaking to read because I know you must feel devastated (again) at the lack of support. I'm just shocked. I'm so sorry. Want me to adopt you into my family?? :) It might not do any good since I have 2 preggos of my own down here.... But seriously, I'm so sorry. I think a lot of times people just don't realize how badly their words hurt. I am by NO means excusing him, I'm just trying to figure out why anyone in their right mind would say such terrible things to you. You have already dealt with SO much and you didn't deserve that email.
Good for you! Your email reply was absolutely perfect. It might do you good to ignore your family's email and screen their calls until you are ready to deal with them head-on. You could even send them a mass email to that effect - that you are under stress and need to take some time for yourself until things are more settled. Stress is not what you need right now, and you deserve (above all else) to enjoy being pregnant and to be able to lean on your husband and others, who understand where you are coming from, for support as you navigate through your pregnancy. The next few months are to contemplate how to raise your child(ren), not your mother and brother!
And without meaning disrespect to your bother, anyone who thinks that infertility has any glimmer of a "fun" side can, quite frankly, suck it.
(I've had comments from well-meaning but clueless friends and family with babies that I'm not "missing anything" since their pregnancies were hard and that there's "no hurry" since it "changes your life." Right.)
Stay strong! Take care of yourself and your husband and your baby(ies)! The rest of them can figure it out later, on your terms.
I am so proud of you for standing up for yourself and your husband.
Two things that infertility gives us are strength and compassion. You are both.
Hang in there.
W O W
He did NOT say "ease up and relax"
If he wasn't your brother, I'd call him an A S S. Your relpy was much more kind than mine would've been.
Your brother's email made me feel sick. What does he know. What a jerk. I though being a family ment supporting one another. He obviously needs to work on this. Good for you with your email back to him. It was perfect. So proud that you stood up for yourself. Sending prayers up for a wonderful ultrasound on Friday!
Holy crap. His email leaves me speechless. I would have lost it. You handled it wonderfully and I am impressed by your response.
I am so sorry that you have to go through this horrible family drama.
Thanks for taking the time out of your life to wish me well! I really appreciate it. And congrats on your pregnancy!!!
Found your blog through another blog and just wanted to say I am appalled at his email!! I'm so angry for you that I can't even express it in words. A brother being that insensitive just blows me away! I am so sorry you have to deal with this during what should be a wonderful and exciting time.
I will say, however, that you're reply was great. I'm interested to hear what he replies with.
((hugs))
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Oh Katie.... I can't believe someone can be so ignorant... I mean, I CAN believe it, but your own family... relax? is THAT all we have to do?! Rocket scientist there....
Ugh, here I am complaining about all of the phone calls and texts I get from my family telling me they are thinking about me, and you have to deal with this... tell you what, I will be more than happy to share my family with you :) The more the merrier I say :)
Just take care of yourself, to hell with everyone else....
Are you fucking kidding me? Who says that shit? OMG, I'm fuming! He reminds me of my brother...girl, we have a lot in common! I loved your reply to him, it was absolutely perfect, and I hope he realizes what an insensitive jerk he is. I'm so sick of "just relax" comments and your response using the analogy with cancer was perfect. He will never understand what it feels like to go months/years without having a child or how every new cycle is heart breaking. Sex is no longer fun when you know deep down you can't make a baby or you know you aren't going to get pregnant. I'm so sorry, big hugs!
My brother's gf was pregnant and she smoked a pack of cigarettes a day and drank coffee non stop and didn't eat because she didn't want to gain weight. My niece was born at 20 weeks and didn't make it. My brother told me they were going to try again and I lost it. I told him that she was going to kill another baby and my brother looks at me and says like you have room to talk, didn't you kill 4? WTF...I had miscarriages and I loved those babies and treated my body like a temple. Sorry, I know this is about you but I had to share that your brother reminds me of mine!
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I'm sorry!!!
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~Michelle
Thanks for your comment! I'm not going to POAS until Friday morning. Not because I have great patience but because I'm utterly terrified to see a BFN and I also pinky promised my hubby that I wouldn't. :-) If it's not good news on Friday then at least I've taken the day off and can go cry and hide at my house and not have to see or talk to anyone. I'll keep you posted!
I am sorry you have to deal with this right now:( I am glad you wrote such a thoughtful response to your brother, hopefully it will help him understand. If not, you did what you could.
hi! i just found your blog. first, congrats on the pg! wishing you luck on the 7th.
i too am pg w/ our first after the 2nd IVF attempt. i'll be 12 weeks on saturday. and, i think we may have the same mother b/c mine told my sister and my favorite uncle that we were pg way before we had planned to. i was wicked pissed. when i asked her why she thought it was her news to tell she said she "thought they had a right to know." uggh. i am still pissed at her and avoid her if i can.
ps - i thought the letter that you wrote to your brother was well thought out and well written.
Holy. Cow.
Youare my freaking hero. Please let us know what he says. I had a friend basically tell one of my other friends these exact same things, and she still is defensive about it and doesn't think she's wrong. I hope that his eyes open a little and he isn't a bitch about it.
Once again, you're my hero. great job.
Katie - I am at a loss for words. I am so sorry that you are struggling with all of these family woes. To have your mom tell your brother was bad, finding out that your brother's wife is expecting was worse, and your brother not understanding just how IF has affected you and Jake and your ability to start a family just takes the cake. I think your email to him was very well composed and said what he needed to know. Hopefully it will help him to understand.
((HUGS)) and I love you!
OMG OMG OMG!
(I just found your blog through Eileen's)
I was so incensed by your brother's email, that it took all of my strength not to throw my laptop out the window (poor laptop! it's not HIS fault).
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!
Your response, however, was *perfect.*
I'm so, so sorry that your family can't even begin to comprehend what you're going through.
All that aside, congratulations on your pregnancy!
Here from LFCA.
I cannot believe...I mean...I just...Wow. I know ignorance is everywhere, but to try and downgrade what you're going through like that. To try and act like this was an actual choice for you two!
I think your email was perfect! I hope it was enlightening for him.
Here from LFCA
Ummm...wow....I'm sitting here in stunned silence. Your brother's ignorance is unbelievable. I'm sorry you are having to deal with his hurful comments in an otherwise stressful time. It just sucks that he and your family can't be there to support you.
I think your email reply to him is right on...and if you really want to, just post his e-mail address and we'll all set him straight ;) (just kidding, obviously)
Best of luck at your ultrasound, I'll be thinking of you
Wow! Just...wow! If my brother sent me an email like that...I wouldn't have been as nice as you.
I hope everything goes well this Friday and that you have a healthy 9 months.
I am just so sorry... His email was so... unempathetic. I mean, it is one thing to not understand but... Hurtful to say the least. Good for you for being able to verbalize, politely, your situation. Hopefully, it will help him to understand.
From LFCA...
WOW! Your response ROCKED! It was just as awesome as that email was horrible.
That email was the exact reason why my husband and I told NO ONE about our troubles conceiving, not even my very empathetic mother and sister. While fertility problems can improve over time, the chances of that happening for most of us is the exception to the rule. My husband and I haven't used bc for over 9 years now, and as relaxed as we get, it took 4 rounds of IVF to have our kids. I'm so glad you socked it to him!
I came over from LFCA.
I've been wandering around the infertility blogosphere a long, long time, and I thought I'd seen everything. But, no. No, in fact, your brother's message takes "clueless and unkind" to a new level.
I thought your response was perfect.
Ugh, the absolute last thing you need right now is family members spouting stupid (and hard to follow) platitudes about how you should treat other family members who violated your trust at an extremely vulnerable time. Your reply was right on the mark--and hopefully that will teach him (at the very least) never to mess with a newly pregnant woman and question her emotions.
I also want to tell you how I sympathize with the financial side: my husband and I have worked 2-3 jobs each (plus I'm finishing a grad degree) to afford treatment. It really does make the stakes so much higher--it's about years of blood, sweat, and tears.
Again, I'm sorry your family is proving so difficult to deal with at this trying time.
Unfortunately it's so hard to understand if you've never been through it. I'm so sorry you are going through this and wish you nothing but the best. Stay positive and try not to let this add stress you don't need (I know, easier said than done). Hugs
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I'm sorry that you and your brother had a misunderstanding. I think IVF is a perfect way to conceive a child.
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Coming from LAFCA. You let him have it girl! Good for you!
Found you via LAFCA - I'm sorry your family stinks so bad. People who have not experienced IF really have no idea. It is such a part of life that people keep quiet, so there is no protocal for how to act. I'm glad I found your blog... I'm about to start my first, and hopefully only, IVF cycle and I enjoyed reading your play by play of your experience. Congratulations on your success!!
You have an award on my blog.
I'm so sorry about your family (((HUGS)))
Seriously, what a Dumbass!
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